Anne and Nadine are Akimbo alumni, they met in 2020 on the Podcasting Fellowship, an online course for budding podcasters hosted by Seth Godin and Alex di Palma.
In this conversation, Nadine candidly reveals her journey leaving her medical career due to depression to finding her path as a yoga teacher, and later on as a health coach. Anne and Nadine discuss the link between yoga and mental wellness, and how Nadine's calling to teach seniors who she warmly refers to as her ‘wise women’. They talk about their learnings from coaching, particularly around limiting beliefs, and the value in Nadine’s motto: no strain, no gain.
The two of them found tremendous value in Seth Godin’s Akimbo workshops, which Nadine calls ‘the classroom she always wished she'd had’ and touch on the importance of good teachers. Especially good music teachers: Nadine is a keen drummer, while Anne is a pianist and vocalist.
Nadine’s love of podcasting contagious, she is dedicated to her audience and to the intimacy of the medium: 'When I record my podcast episodes, when I sit with my guests, the feeling I want to have is we're nerding out in my living room'. Nerding out on yoga, fitness, health and wellness, like the six dimensions of well-being.
A bright conversation! Enjoy!
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Selected Links from Episode:
You can find Nadine at:
Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/yogimdnet/?hl=en
Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/yogimdnet/
Pintrest - https://www.pinterest.co.uk/yogimdnet/
YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/c/YOGIMD
Find out more about Nadine at her website - https://yogimd.net/
Discover the Akimbo Workshop - https://www.akimbo.com/
Listen to Nadine’s Podcast, The Yogi M.D. Podcast - https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-yogi-m-d-podcast/id1431080351
Listen to Nadine’s Podcast episode with Seth Godin - https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/social-health-contributing-to-community-with-seth-godin/id1431080351?i=1000504532259
Listen to Nadine's Podcast episode with Bernadette Jiwa - https://mindful-health-for-the-wise-woman.simplecast.com/episodes/social-health-effective-communication-with-bernadette-jiwa
Read Seth Godin’s blog - https://seths.blog/
Listen to Sting – Why Should I Cry For You? - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZSGQ5wMaDE
Read Matthew Walker’s Why We Sleep - https://www.waterstones.com/book/why-we-sleep/matthew-walker/9780141983769
Read Stephen Covey’s The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/36072.The_7_Habits_of_Highly_Effective_People
Read Natalie Nixon’s The Creativity Leap - https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/634022/the-creativity-leap-by-natalie-nixon/
Read Arianna Huffington’s Thrive - https://www.waterstones.com/book/thrive/arianna-huffington/9780753555422
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Anne Muhlethaler:
Hi, hello, bonjour, and namaste. This is Out Of The Clouds, a podcast at the crossroads between business and mindfulness. And I'm your host, Anne Muhlethaler. Today, I am joined by Nadine Kelly, the host of podcast YOGI M.D. Nadine, and I got to know each other when we both were doing the Akimbo Podcast Fellowship, which might have changed names since then.
A program that was offered by Seth Godin, and Alex DiPalma. I got to know Nadine across a couple of other workshops as well, I keep on taking more of them. And so today, we explore first the reasons that led her to make a major shift in her career, leaving medicine behind to get into a new career, first as a yoga teacher, and then coach and podcaster.
I'm very interested and impressed how Nadine went out to look for her clients, as she calls them, her wise women. And we then talk about the importance of yoga and mental health, the limiting beliefs and old narratives, which she sees crop up in her own life, and of course, in her clients. She talks about her motto, no strain, no again, and she talks about the joy she finds in podcasting, giving her listeners her heart.
I greatly enjoyed getting to know Nadine during this interview, I hope you enjoy it as much as I did. So without further ado, I give you Nadine Kelly.
Anne Muhlethaler:
Nadine Kelly, it's such a pleasure to meet you, welcome to Out of The Clouds.
Nadine Kelly:
It is lovely to meet you, and to see your lovely face this morning Anne.
Anne Muhlethaler:
Thank you. So it's strange, I feel like I really know you. Your voice has been in my ears, I have seen your name appear on my computer screen many, many times, in my multiple Akimbo workshops. I was trying to think when is the first time that your name popped up, and I should have actually searched that on my computer. But so I wonder, how many years has it been since you started working with the Akimbo workshops?
Nadine Kelly:
2018.
Anne Muhlethaler:
Ah, anyways, I need to give you a proper introduction, and as I was saying to you offline, I am going to start by taking a leaf from Dr. Gloria Latimer's book, whose interview of you on your website is really glorious.
Anne Muhlethaler:
So you are a yoga teacher, a health coach, an Akimbo coach, a drummer, and a physician, but I mentioned this last, because you made the choice to leave medicine. And I would love for you to start there, and tell our listeners, how you came to leave this career, and move on to a new path?
Nadine Kelly:
I was not happy, to be really frank, and to be able to admit that out loud, after really coming to terms with that feeling, and accepting it. Even though the misconception is, just because you study something for a very long time, it should mean that you fall in love with the thing that you do.
Nadine Kelly:
And the problem with that model is, yes, I did invest a lot of time, energy and money, and delayed a lot of gratification, but because I had blinders on, and because I believed that when I got to the next thing, I would finally feel happy, that kept me going, it never happened, I would get to the next thing, and I still wouldn't feel happy.
Nadine Kelly:
And I finally got to the position where I was practicing, and I was not happy, and it was not getting better, and it was starting to take a toll. And it took my doctor intervening, thanks to my husband, and being diagnosed with depression, for me to really stop and have a reckoning with my body and my mind, and what I wanted to do for the next several years, because I was only 40 at that time.
Anne Muhlethaler:
Wow. It's impressive and it's wonderful to hear you speak so directly about this, because I feel like it's something that's very hard to put into words, and to put out into the world and discuss openly. How did you find the new path that took you to yoga, and health coaching?
Nadine Kelly:
I had been practicing yoga and martial arts at the same time, when I was the leader in my practicing years of medicine, because those were ways for me to connect my mind and body, and to, quite frankly maintain my sanity. And I found yoga because of my mom, my mom is a breast cancer survivor of well over 20 years, and she needed a practice that was a gentle modality, that would be physically and mentally and emotionally nourishing.
Nadine Kelly:
Because she was not the kind of person to go to a group, and sit down, and talk about her feelings, so that was the way for her to process how she was feeling, and how she could heal, and having me there with her was also very important. So we did that together, and that's how I got into yoga. And I continued yoga myself.
Nadine Kelly:
So I started with a gentle practice with my mother, and it was a gentle hatha type class as well. And to be quite honest, I was bored after a little while. So while my mother stayed in that class, I decided to... Yeah, I wanted to still practice yoga, but I wanted something a little bit more physically challenging.
Nadine Kelly:
So I did that for a while. And then when I was done practicing, which I didn't completely know at the time, but that was the end, I decided to deepen my practice of yoga, to figure out what I was going to do next. And so I wandered into our local yoga studio, they happened to have a teacher training program starting, and they convinced me that it was a great idea, even if I didn't want to teach, to deepen my practice and understand it, and understand myself better.
Nadine Kelly:
And so I went for it, halfway through the practice, I experienced a yoga practice by a lovely mature woman, and I had fireworks and light bulbs go off for me, because I said, "This is where I can apply my training, and my desire to serve the community, and to make a difference, and to really help people, and to help a population, very specifically, who may not be receiving the benefits of yoga due to intimidation, or the way yoga was being promoted, which is athletics."
Nadine Kelly:
So I knew that I wanted to teach mature bodies of various physical abilities, to maintain health and work on prevention, because that was something that bothered me during my time practicing as well, too much sickness model, I wanted to be more in the prevention world. And so I thought this was a great way to do it.
Nadine Kelly:
And I wanted to see what I was doing, and be with people, I was buried in a microscope for such a long time, thinking I was not a people person, but I am, just in small settings. And so I started going out into the community, and looking for my people, my mature women, my wise women as I call them, because they weren't really coming to the yoga studios. I tried, and they weren't really coming.
Nadine Kelly:
So I went to find them, I went to find them in assisted living centers as well. I also wounded up working at a fitness facility, that was geared towards more mature people. And during my time there, they decided to incorporate a program, which was a health initiative program for women.
Nadine Kelly:
They asked me if I wanted to be a life coach, and I jumped at the chance, so did my training to become a health coach so that I could do the life coach piece for this program, because they had a nutritionist and a fitness person, and they needed the life coach person for behavioral changes.
Nadine Kelly:
And so right up my alley, because I love the whys, I'm not crazy about the how's, I'm more about the whys. So I decided to do that program, I did for a couple of years at least. And I simply loved it. And it allowed for this evolution to this coach that I am becoming, and the doctor that I am now, even though I'm retired, and I don't have my white coat on anymore, I'm finally the doctor I'm proud of.
Anne Muhlethaler:
That's so beautiful, and I could see it in your face, and in your energy as you were talking about this. And it does seem like coaching was going to find you, and that you have a really natural ability also to make people feel at ease, which is-
Nadine Kelly:
Thank you.
Anne Muhlethaler:
Wonderful for someone who was already sort of self-naming, not a people person earlier in your life.
Nadine Kelly:
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Anne Muhlethaler:
One of the things you said a few moments ago, resonates super strongly with me, you said about the yoga practice. The reason why you were doing it, is you were using it for your sanity. Which in the context of knowing that you did suffer mental illness, and depression, makes sense. But now you are a teacher and you work with specific populations, can you speak to me about the benefits, or the links, between yoga and mental wellness, mental health?
Nadine Kelly:
To me, it's almost more important than the physical. The physical is a gateway for you, for us, in my opinion, to develop, to cultivate more of a mental, and emotional awareness of ourselves, to get to know ourselves better. To find this quiet, to find this space, to observe without judgment our narratives, to question our narratives, what serving, what's not serving?
Nadine Kelly:
And so that's why I've learned so much over the time I've been teaching yoga to mature bodies, it doesn't matter that if you do the Warrior II, as is pictured in the book, or on the Instagram photo, or on the mountain top, that's not what matters. Yes, movement is very important, and the practical side of me brings a lot of that into my classes, because I do find something that I was missing during my training, I liked the why am I doing this, as I mentioned at the top of our discussion.
Nadine Kelly:
And so I wanted to give that to the people I serve, and I encounter in yoga, because if it makes sense to you, then you're more empowered to continue a sustainable practice. And if you understand why you're doing something, you can also decide when it doesn't serve, when you need to back off, or when you need to modify, you just get to know yourself a lot better.
Anne Muhlethaler:
I went to see a new doctor a few weeks ago, and we were talking about the benefits of yoga and Pilates. And I was telling her, over the course of the pandemic and the lockdowns, I tried lots of different things, because I like to be able to pick from a variety of different practices, even though I have my own practice.
Anne Muhlethaler:
And so I was about to sell her, and her patients a really very affordable, 15 euros, fantastic bloodiest practice, 21 days available on Daily Arm. But then she stopped me, and she said, "Oh, but that only works for people who actually have an understanding of how their body works."
Anne Muhlethaler:
And that stopped me right in my tracks, because of course, I have my blinders on, thinking that everybody understands the things that I understand now, which is absolutely not the case. I can remember those early days in London when I was practicing, I remember one of the teachers keeping on saying, "Anne, take your shoulders down."
Anne Muhlethaler:
And I did not understand it, because I had probably spent my life like this. I had never understood there were supposed to be down my back. I was 25 and clueless, and it was very funny, because now I remember that, it puts things in perspective. So I guess that's also one of the beautiful things about yoga, is that body, mind connection. You were talking about this actually in the interview with Dr. Latimer, about that body mind connection and that self-knowledge?
Nadine Kelly:
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Anne Muhlethaler:
You also just mentioned the importance of the narrative, and I listen to this word narrative very differently, as I am training to become a life coach with Martha Beck. And looking at my thoughts, and looking at people's thoughts is starting to be very different. How has that impacted you in the way that you practice as well, and teach, and coach?
Nadine Kelly:
That's a wonderful question. I can give you an example, because I'll never forget it. I remember standing in the room, it was a class I was teaching, it was about 20 women in chairs, I teach a lot of chair yoga. And we were doing arm circles, we were doing arm circles, and we were also then transitioning from the arm circles to lifting, like upwards salute, reaching both arms up, reaching straight for the ceiling to lengthen the sides of the body.
Nadine Kelly:
And one of the women caught my eye, and she was struggling. And she was trying to lift her left arm past her physical capacity, and she was grimacing. So I gently walked over to her, and I just kind of whispered, or I don't even think I necessarily said anything, I might have even just kind of gently put my hand on her shoulder. And I might have whispered something like, "You don't have to lift that arm all the way up." Okay.
Nadine Kelly:
So later on in the class, I said generally to everybody, when you are working on a physical posture, that doesn't work for your body, and it's causing actual pain, not a challenge, because challenge is important when you're practicing yoga. Some people tend to say, "It's just stretching." Which I can't stand. So no, it's not just stretching, it is no strain, no gain, not no pain, no gain.
Nadine Kelly:
And so I encouraged everybody in the class to examine, not just physically when you're causing yourself pain, but how do you use that mindset and that narrative you're telling yourself, "I have to do this." In other areas of your life during the week. So are you forcing yourself to, I don't know, people please, or not setting proper boundaries. So that's an example of how I teach.
Nadine Kelly:
Again, very practical, because I think yoga is one of the most beautiful things that's ever happened to me. It's a gorgeous practice, and it's a lifestyle, it's life affirming, I know myself a ton better because of yoga. And lately, I've been examining my own narratives, because I know I'm not alone in this, a lot of us have, as we age, so I'm catching myself saying my wise women, I'm a wise woman too, okay?
Anne Muhlethaler:
Yes, I get that.
Nadine Kelly:
I'm a wise woman too, and my body is undergoing changes. And so my nearly 50 year old body is not my 40 year old body. And so back in the day, when I could exercise six or seven times a week, and things would be okay, not so much anymore. So I'm having to make some adjustments, and figure out what's healthy for me, what does healthy look like at this stage? Yeah, and just how to take care of myself, and not to listen to the old narrative of, "You should do this, you have to look this way."
Nadine Kelly:
This real punishing approach that I've always taken, and this super rigid, disciplined approach that I've always taken with my physical health has to soften now, I don't have the same body. So that's an area where I'm applying, paying attention, and listening, actually stopping and listening to what I'm hearing myself say to myself in the moment, when I'm not being compassionate.
Anne Muhlethaler:
Yeah, it's super important, it's such a rich area of growth, noticing the thoughts and being very careful when I hear the half twos, and the shoulds and should nots.
Nadine Kelly:
Yes.
Anne Muhlethaler:
Learning around limiting beliefs. So you've chosen to train in several different kinds of yogas, and I am super, super interested in them. How did you find the right programs to train in aqua yoga, chair yoga and gentle yoga? Because I feel for anybody who's listening, who is interested in developing or discovering these practices, I think it's interesting to hear how you got to that.
Nadine Kelly:
I came to the chair yoga training, that's where started, after my yoga teacher training myself several years ago, in 2012. And so when I was done, because I knew I wanted to go a non-traditional path, as usual, I was a pathologist, I never picked the most common thing. But [inaudible 00:19:47], so I kind of almost had to teach myself a lot, because chair yoga wasn't terribly popular at that time.
Nadine Kelly:
But then as I was gaining practice, and as I was looking for books, because there were a few books out that I could go to, and see how I could modify certain positions, using the chair, what could I do with the chair? I also found a program in Phoenix, where I was able to go train with two women who had been very qualified, who had been teaching chair yoga for a long time.
Nadine Kelly:
I knew as I continued serving my population, and paying attention to their needs, I knew then I also wanted to teach yoga in another supportive medium. What were other ways I could find to make yoga accessible to bodies with hip replacements, knee replacements, osteoarthritis, rheumatoid arthritis, scoliosis, hypertension, you name it, heart disease.
Nadine Kelly:
So I came upon a wonderful teacher, Camilla Nair, who taught aqua yoga, who had developed the program many, many years ago, and had only been teaching in the water, aqua Kriya Yoga. And so I trained with her a couple of times actually, and I just loved it. I loved that you could offer one of my dearest students, who unfortunately, I'm not near a pool anymore.
Nadine Kelly:
But when I was teaching a lot of aqua yoga, one of my students had a rare muscular degenerative disease. So she could only practice yoga in the water, because she couldn't lift, her quadriceps were affected, so she couldn't lift her legs, so she couldn't do chair yoga. She could only do that in the water, because of the buoyancy.
Nadine Kelly:
And so a person like that could receive the benefits of yoga in the water, it's one of my happiest, happiest moments as a yoga teacher, as a person really.
Anne Muhlethaler:
That sounds really wonderful. And actually, selfishly, I'd love to do a quick yoga. I mean, my love of water, and my love of yoga combined, what's not to love?
Nadine Kelly:
It's a marvelous practice. If you can get into a pool, and you can start on your own, just even doing some sun salutations, and throwing in some warriors in the water, or walking through the water, in Warrior I back and forth, it is so meditative.
Anne Muhlethaler:
Oh, that's nice. I remember doing dancer pose quite a few times in water, because I just felt a little bit more supported for-
Nadine Kelly:
Yes.
Anne Muhlethaler:
I have challenged ankles, so it was really a fun practice for me to do that for a standing pose. If you have any recommendations for courses or books, that I can then direct some interested listeners to in the show notes?
Nadine Kelly:
Yeah, absolutely. So it Camila Nair is offering Aqua Kriya Yoga teacher training, I noticed, because I still get her newsletters online now.
Anne Muhlethaler:
Amazing.
Nadine Kelly:
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Anne Muhlethaler:
That's that's very exciting.
Nadine Kelly:
Yeah, I can't thank her enough for her compassionate knowledgeable training.
Anne Muhlethaler:
That's awesome. I'm really looking forward to looking her up. So I don't know if I want to talk to you now about the podcast, or the Akimbo workshops, maybe you can tell me which came first?
Nadine Kelly:
The... Well, the podcast as a result of joining the original Podcast Fellowship.
Anne Muhlethaler:
Ah, okay.
Nadine Kelly:
That was my first Akimbo workshop.
Anne Muhlethaler:
No way. So I did the fourth one last year, but I may your cohort friend, Dr. Andrea, I can't say her last name.
Nadine Kelly:
She just says to say Wojnicki, so that's how I say it, but, yeah.
Anne Muhlethaler:
I felt like it was just there on the tip of my tongue and I failed. She's a wonderful, wonderful podcast host, and communications coach. So tell me about how podcasting came to become a point of interest for you?
Nadine Kelly:
Okay, so, evolution. As I became more myself, the person who's supposed to serve in this way, educating wise women, and teaching wise women, and supporting wise women in community, and empowering them to be healthy. No matter what state, the physical, the mental, the emotional, it's so personal, it is different, at different stages of life.
Nadine Kelly:
And so I was teaching yoga, I had been doing that life coaching piece for women's health at that club. I loved it that part so much, because I felt like it was the education piece, I'm a teacher, and I love educating, and I love explaining, and encouraging you to ask yourself the why question, and what makes sense for you.
Nadine Kelly:
And I found myself in classes as I'm a nerd, so I would in class, find myself, if I read something, like say, lower body strength in a clinical trial in women improves cognitive function, as well as balance, I get super excited. And I would take that article, make copies, and bring it to class, okay? And then I would lead a yoga practice based on that finding.
Nadine Kelly:
So I wanted more of that. And so the podcasting, it was originally called The Fellowship in 2018 came along, and it was generally touted for students at first, and then they said, "But we'll take other applications." And so I was very scared the first time I saw the email, I went ahead and did it anyway, and they accepted my application.
Nadine Kelly:
And I dove in, because this was the perfect medium to start exploring more of the knowledge, and having more of the discussion around what health could be. And I've been doing it non-stop now since 2018. And my podcast has evolved as well, I know I keep using that word, but it's a super important word to me.
Nadine Kelly:
It became this thing where I am impassioned about what health means. It's not the absence of disease, you're not defined by any pathology, but health is more than your body in your mind. And I learned that painful lesson myself, because I wasn't paying attention to my emotional, and my mental well-being. I was focusing only on the physical.
Nadine Kelly:
I live in a western world, and it's all about what size your dresses, and what the number is on the scale, and that's what I focused on, because that's what I had control over at that time. And so it just wasn't a really well balanced way to live. And we get this... And this is my belief system, we get this one chance to be here. I knew that practicing pathology, it was painfully obvious.
Nadine Kelly:
We don't solely do autopsies, but did a lot of autopsies. Also looked at a lot of slides in cases of people who had bad outcomes, and they were young. And so you can't do that kind of work, and not always in the back of your mind to be aware of our mortality, and also aware of the fact that you can't take your days for granted. So I want to live my life fully, and I want to encourage women to do the same. And so you're more than your dress size, you're more than the number on the scale.
Nadine Kelly:
So now my podcast is, because I learned this in that health initiative program for women, I explore the six dimensions of health, which are your social well-being, your emotional well-being, your mental well-being, your physical well-being, your intellectual well-being, and your spiritual well-being. And this year, I took a really slow... And I'm going to make a little pun here, like a microscopic look at each of these dimensions, where I took just four principles from each.
Nadine Kelly:
So slowed it down, pared it back a little bit, and so we looked at social well-being for two months, January and February, where it was four different principles contributing to community with good communication, family responsibility, just to name a few. And so each domain is like that, two months, four interviews with a person who I feel is a really good model of that aspect of health. So that anyone who has been following my podcast in 2021, can really start to question their own limited beliefs of health.
Anne Muhlethaler:
So you have used this medium for the past four years now? How do you feel as a podcaster, has it changed your life? How do you find your audience? I'd love for you to tell me a little bit about that?
Nadine Kelly:
Podcasting has changed my life tremendously. It's not even really about the medium itself, I am becoming every day the person I am meant to be here, and I didn't. Like I said, I thought podcasting was going to be, "I'm providing the information to make women healthy." And it's an art form, it's allowed me to embrace more of the creative.
Nadine Kelly:
Now here's some black and white thinking I had too before, because I remember saying this to people when I was practicing medicine. I'm not a creative person, I don't have a creative bone in my body, and that is so laughable at this point, I almost don't recognize myself. This version versus the 10 years ago, repressed small, boxed up version of Nadine.
Nadine Kelly:
Now it's a metamorphosis, and I feel like I'm doing God's work. This is spiritual work for me, it's more than me, and I get to talk to people I would never get to talk to, I get to learn from the most generous, knowledgeable people, I get to make each episode so special, and unique, and a gorgeous, intimate conversation, I get to have the classroom that I didn't get.
Nadine Kelly:
One of the feelings that I really work hard to evoke with my podcast, is one of when I was in college, I remember sitting in... It was at the University of Chicago, these great big halls, lecture halls, and the lecture halls were cold, and filled with students, and the professor would be way in front at a chalkboard, talk about age? They were using chalk at that time.
Nadine Kelly:
So he'd be on the chalkboard with his back to us, and I remember one time having the distinct thought like, does he know that there are other people here? So I didn't feel that connection I wanted. And so, when I record my podcast episodes, when I sit with my guests, the feeling I want to have is, we're nerding out in my living room.
Anne Muhlethaler:
I love that so much, that's fantastic. Nerding out in my living room, I mean, that you've totally made my day, thanks.
Nadine Kelly:
Thank you.
Anne Muhlethaler:
Mine would be more like nerding out in my office.
Nadine Kelly:
You're welcome. And so it's intimate.
Anne Muhlethaler:
So, it is like a lounge-y office, with lots like there's like books, there's art, there's a Buddha lamp here, anyways.
Nadine Kelly:
But it's warm, it's welcoming, it's intimate. I had to go through a little bit of a discussion with myself too, because we get into these numbers, right? Number of downloads, number of downloads. And in the last few months, I stopped looking at the downloads, because I'm so confident, and I just feel so much joy at this point, with my work with my podcasting.
Nadine Kelly:
I feel like I am really stepping outside of my comfort zone, and really putting myself out there, and giving my listeners my heart, that I don't have to worry about the numbers anymore, because anybody who wants to come to my living room is welcome.
Anne Muhlethaler:
You just dropped the mic. Excellent. It's great to see that when you are wholeheartedly in yourself, giving all of yourself to projects, then all that matters is the sense of joy and fulfillment that comes from it, and I side with you on that. Damn, I love that podcast. So I wanted to come back to Akimbo then. So you joined not a student, but you joined the first fellowship, and then tell me what happened.
Nadine Kelly:
It would have been around the fourth version of podcasting, that I was invited back to be a part of the crew, to help support students. Not a coach, but as a supporting cast member. And I remember I was just so excited and honored, and like, "Wow, this is interesting." Okay.
Nadine Kelly:
So I went for it, because it felt uncomfortable, but good. And then the next installment, because I was just being myself, they asked me to come on as a coach. And that is when my adventures and coaching and Akimbo began. From there, I also took as a student... So after podcasting fellowship, I also took the marketing seminar, and freelancers workshop at the same time, and this would have been 2019.
Nadine Kelly:
Because I wanted to learn more about my business, and how I could improve my business acumen, learn more about the marketing, so that I could reach the mature women, I wanted to reach, how I could do a better job and get more clarity on the way I was presenting my offering as well. Especially because it's niche, it's not as easy.
Nadine Kelly:
Because it's not just a matter of straightforward pictures of myself in a yoga studio, that's not how I teach. So I had to really think about how to present what I was offering to mature women, to, again, lower the bar of intimidation, and increased understanding of this is what a yoga practice can also look like. That's why I have so many pictures on my website.
Nadine Kelly:
So I took those two courses, and then I also took story skills. Because each one kind of built on each other, I became curious, story skills became an opportunity for me to be a better podcaster. How could I become a better interviewer? How could I listen better? And that's where I met Bernadette.
Nadine Kelly:
In the middle of all of that, I was offered another coaching opportunity to join freelancers. And so I was stunned. Okay, so I went in and I did freelancers, and then they offered me coaching for creatives workshop. And I did that last, so for the last three months, and I've been offered to come back, for creatives, again, it'll be starting at the end of this month.
Nadine Kelly:
And I am simply, as I mentioned to you earlier, the doctor wanted to become, more and more, the coaching is evolving, to me this coaching is all making a lot more sense. I initially went into the health coaching, to become this life coach so I could implement behavioral change, have people think about why they treat themselves the way they do, or why they make the choices... To really look at their personal habits, because there's no such thing as a one size fits all, as far as I'm concerned when it comes to taking care of yourself.
Nadine Kelly:
So the Akimbo coaching has expanded, and I feel like I'm really doing this work that I'm meant to do. I'm also supporting health, I had this realization the other day, I'm supporting health in a creative person's life, because I'm nurturing, vigor, intellectual and emotional and mental well being, so that they can also become the best versions of themselves.
Nadine Kelly:
To raise, in Maslow's hierarchy, to improve self-esteem and self-actualization. Again, you get this one shot, so how can you be supported in this work that only you can offer in the world, to get to this self-actualization point.
Anne Muhlethaler:
I'm digesting that, that's really wonderful. And it does tie in with my perception of the work that you do. So for our listeners, I was on the creatives workshop in the last three months, so even though you weren't directly coaching my cohort, I saw your name around.
Anne Muhlethaler:
And you did support me and give me feedback on pieces I was exploring, which was really special. I was wondering if you'd explain to our listeners, who don't know what the Akimbo workshops are, just to give them a little bit of context?
Nadine Kelly:
So the Akimbo workshops are the classroom that I craved. It wasn't being passively educated, where I was being force fed all this information to memorize, and look, this was my experience, okay? Maybe other people experience their college, and medical school differently, but my experience was a lot of information to just swallow, like a fire hose.
Nadine Kelly:
Now, there was this nerd in me, who was just yearning to participate in her learning. I wanted to have a fun classroom, I wanted to have... My daughter's went to Montessori classrooms when they were little, and I just loved that environment, where you could get up and move, and explore, and become yourself, and it wasn't just this regimented thing.
Nadine Kelly:
So when I found Akimbo land, I was just like a kid in a candy store, because it's active learning, it's okay if you make a mistake, I didn't grow up like that. And it's, we're not going to give you the answer, there's no such thing as the right answer. One of my favorite people in Akimbo is Scott Perry.
Nadine Kelly:
And Scott helped me through that initial road block, where I came in to the marketing seminar and freelancers, and I wrote my answers, and I wanted an A, and I wanted to make sure I was right. And Scott would ask me questions, and he would answer me, and he wouldn't say, "This is correct."
Nadine Kelly:
And so it was this beautiful shift of, "Oh, my goodness, I'm getting what I want." It's not easy, but I'm questioning the way I think, I'm pushing my limits, I'm asking people for feedback. I'm being courageous in writing, and expressing myself, and stumbling my way through to find the thing that's eluding me, that I need to figure out.
Nadine Kelly:
And so that's what Akimbo land is really like, it's these online platform workshops, where it's not somebody lecturing at you, it's not videos that are just at you with the correct answers, it's prompts, it's thoughtful lessons, where you engage with the material, and you put down your own thoughts. And then you have a magical cohort of people that support you, in your learning, it's all active learning. And I feel like I'm on a playground.
Anne Muhlethaler:
It does feel a bit like a playground. For me, it took me a while, not that long, actually, the altMBA is so intense, it just breaks down the barriers in like five days. It's true. Mind you, I did read it... Yeah-
Nadine Kelly:
It's on my radar.
Anne Muhlethaler:
Yeah, I did put about 25 hours a week into it, so I really deep dived. I was actually writing about it in a blog post a few weeks back, I was reflecting on the knowledge that I've acquired as a grownup, since I started with the altMBA, with the yoga teacher training, with the mindfulness meditation two-year training with Tara Brach and Jack Kornfield.
Anne Muhlethaler:
And the other 40 workshops I've taken, I don't know where I've put that, but clearly, I found time with it. So I find that the way that online learning is changing our opportunities, and our interactions, offline learning is going to have to shift massively. And I'm very interested in not just the future of work, but yeah, the future of learning.
Anne Muhlethaler:
I wish somebody had told me earlier in my life, that adult learning continuous education was a possibility. I mean, it's one of the biggest joys in my life. Listen, I just joined the copywriting workshop. Yes, the better version, and now I do use copy and writing much more now than I did before.
Anne Muhlethaler:
So when that email landed in my inbox, it felt fated the same way as the day that I saw for the first time that email about the podcast fellowship. So speaking about that, you did do a fantastic interview of Seth Godin, the father of Akimbo-
Nadine Kelly:
I did.
Anne Muhlethaler:
On on your podcast, and I want to mention it, because it's an excuse to put it in the show notes, so people can go and listen to it. It was a really beautiful interview.
Nadine Kelly:
Thank you. It was one of my proudest moments, and it was full circle. Because the reason why I did have the trust to step into the podcasting fellowship, is because it was offered at that time by Alex DiPalma, who is just good people, period, check, okay? And Seth Godin.
Nadine Kelly:
I had been reading Seth's blogs for seven years until then, religiously, so I knew of him, and so that's why when that email landed, as a promotion in one of his blogs, I said, "Okay, this is all right, this is an opportunity, I'm afraid, but I'm going to do this."
Nadine Kelly:
So Seth was very, and I don't want to ruin it, because if your listeners go and listen, what I wrote to Seth in the beginning, and said to him in the beginning, is exactly why I had to have him on my podcast, to thank him.
Anne Muhlethaler:
That's beautiful. The magic of podcasting, is that I didn't know Seth, I don't want to say he's not that big in Europe, but I don't think he's as big in Europe, as he is in North America, at least not back then. And I'm going to credit my friend Anna Sue, for sending me a couple of episodes of the Tim Ferriss show.
Anne Muhlethaler:
And I was on holiday on my own in Thailand., and it started raining as it does sometimes in Thailand. It felt like the heavens opened, and all I had to do was to listen to podcasts. And I came across his interview with Tim Ferriss, I think it was the first one.
Anne Muhlethaler:
And there was something so generous about what he talked about, that I went to the show notes, and I just looked up the books he recommended, and I fell in love with them. And then I sort of followed the right prompts, and found the blog, and everything else. The magic of podcasts, and show notes.
Nadine Kelly:
Yes.
Anne Muhlethaler:
Which has been your favorite course so far? I kind of want to know, because I'm a nerd just like you.
Nadine Kelly:
Oh, my goodness, that's a tough, tough question, because they've all done different things. But it's a real toss-up between, as a student, story skills and the podcasting workshop. The marketing seminar was absolutely a pivotal point in my lifelong learner journey, but I don't know if it was necessarily my favorite, simply because I worked so hard, as well as in freelancers.
Nadine Kelly:
But where I felt the most untethered, creative joy, and learning to become, embrace the fact that I am an artist, story skills and podcasting have taught me that I'm an artist. I am an artist.
Anne Muhlethaler:
Amen. That's wonderful. Because I am looking at the drum kit behind you on my screen. So this is the perfect transition for you to tell me about your musical journey?
Nadine Kelly:
Thank you, so the musical aspect of it took place, as usual, again, my mom says I'm a late bloomer. And so it was at 42 that I picked up the drums, so it's only been almost eight years? Yeah, almost eight years. The funny thing about the drumming is, I took piano lessons as a child, and for a long time, that teacher was very unpleasant. She did a lot of yelling. Yes, she did a lot of yelling.
Anne Muhlethaler:
I've had one of those, yeah.
Nadine Kelly:
Yeah. And we did that for a long time, and as a matter of fact, when I was 13, and that teacher stopped teaching, she became ill, I have never touched a keyboard, or a piano ever since. And even if I walk into a musical store, or I see a piano, I don't ever want to put my fingers on a keyboard ever again.
Nadine Kelly:
But I wanted to participate in music. And so... It's really cute, my daughters are a super, super important to me. And so we went to see a very silly movie, when they were kids and we used to go to movies a lot. And it was called Hop, it was a terrible movie. It was half animated, half human.
Nadine Kelly:
And the reason why I wanted to take them to see it is because I saw the preview, and the preview was the bunny playing the drums. And when I saw the bunny playing the drums, I said I'm going to go watch that movie as a grown woman, with the guise of taking my kids because I want to see the bunny play that solo. How ridiculous, right?
Nadine Kelly:
But there was something in me, that childlike, that wanted to have fun with the learning process. And so when I was 42, I walked into a music store in the neighborhood, and felt silly, that's when I started my drum journey. And that has become super, super different with time too, I've gone through a few teachers, yeah.
Anne Muhlethaler:
That's awesome. I have to tell you, on Christmas Eve, I want to say, I signed up for the Disney Channel, about six months ago, I'm not kidding. And you know why?
Nadine Kelly:
Why?
Anne Muhlethaler:
Because the new movie, Soul, from Pixar and Disney was being released.
Nadine Kelly:
I loved Soul.
Anne Muhlethaler:
And it was about a piano player.
Nadine Kelly:
Yeah.
Anne Muhlethaler:
I knew in that instant, I was like, "Oh my god, this is not for kids, this is for me." And because the film is absolutely magical.
Nadine Kelly:
It's gorgeous.
Anne Muhlethaler:
And it was the wonderful Jon Baptiste who did all of the musical arrangements, and the scoring of it, it was. So did you ever see that TV show called Heroes?
Nadine Kelly:
No.
Anne Muhlethaler:
Okay, there was a really fantastic villain in it, and his thing is that he could open people's brains, and get their talents. And so there's a part of me that always thought, he's really mean, but if I could open up someone's head, and be a jazz keyboard player, I will be so happy.
Anne Muhlethaler:
But I had some disappointing teachers at important crossroads in my life as a pianist, and that's why I quit. I did 10 years of classical, and I was good, my previous teacher thought I was going to be a concert pianist. But she stopped teaching, and I was handed over to the Conservatory of Music in Geneva, and the new teacher hated everything I did.
Nadine Kelly:
Oh, gosh.
Anne Muhlethaler:
She just like literally sapped all of the joy in that anatomy, and I am just now learning to accompany myself on the piano, and getting back into it.
Nadine Kelly:
That's wonderful.
Anne Muhlethaler:
Yeah. But so listen, I am super impressed by the music that you're composing for your podcast. So can you tell us about that collaboration, and then tell us a bit about your daughters, because they sound pretty magic?
Nadine Kelly:
They are magical, I'm not biased at all.
Anne Muhlethaler:
Sure.
Nadine Kelly:
So my eldest is, and not that you could distill anyone's personality, but she is more of the logical renaissance scientific woman, okay? And my youngest is... And this is another thing my mother said, my mother said to me one time, if we knew better at the time, and times were different, you would be like, Lizzie, the artistic, creative, she writes, she is musical. Yeah, she just likes to create.
Nadine Kelly:
And she's this great critical thinker, she's well read. And she thinks outside the box, she is the artists that I would have been, yeah. And I am becoming, it's not too late. And so the musical collaboration came about, because when I first started podcasting, I knew because I love music so much, I wanted the music to be an intimate part of the podcast.
Nadine Kelly:
But at the time, we didn't have the means to go record somewhere, my percussion and her guitar. So she had been playing around on GarageBand with some music, and she had made this piece. And so she casually said to me, "Oh, I have this." And so I listened to it, and I said, "Oh my god, I'm going to use this for my podcast music." And it was fine, because it satisfied the intention, which was to make it personal, from me, from us.
Nadine Kelly:
I didn't want stock music, or free royalty music, I wanted something personal, meaningful, because the podcast feels personal and meaningful. So in 2020, with a lot of time, and because I had found this... One of my other drum teachers, Jesse, was a marvelous teacher. He was with me for five years, but then we both wound up moving, and I was kind of adrift for about a year or so looking for a new teacher, and I found Tim Buhl.
Nadine Kelly:
He lives in Tennessee, and just another wonderful, thoughtful, supportive, smart cheerleader for... He's one of those teachers that I like, and I try to be this type of teacher as well, where it's about the student in front of you, and how can you make that student shine. And so he came at the right time, and because he's a professional musician, we were able to start talking about... he's also a podcaster.
Nadine Kelly:
Start talking about what I wanted, and I had this very narrow way of thinking, where it had to be everyone sitting in one room recording together. And he said, "No, this is online technology so much better now, and I would recommend recording the different aspects of the song in pieces."
Nadine Kelly:
So I sat down on my drum kit, and just played around one voice at a time with some rhythms. I started to imagine what I wanted it to be, because, again, very intentional, I wanted it to feel warm, but I also wanted it to feel wise and welcoming. And, like Amy Winehouse, just like Anita Baker, these beautiful deep chocolatey sultry singers, and I wanted it to have this smooth rhythm.
Nadine Kelly:
I love Triplets, so I wanted it to have a true good Triplet feel, I could hear the, because I loved vinyl as a kid. So I would love, and still love vinyl. So I liked putting... I'm very kinesthetic, so I like putting the needle down on the record, and hearing that initial sound that lets you know you're going to listen to a beautiful story in an album, so I wanted those elements.
Nadine Kelly:
So I was very clear what I wanted, so Lizzie, my daughter was able to sit and do this just lovely guitar triplet melody, and then she did a separate bass triplet melody. And my niece who lives in California has a gorgeous voice, it's that deep... She's only, she's 16, but she has that beautiful, deep, rich voice that I wanted.
Nadine Kelly:
So I sent her as we created the layers, so as Tim added the percussion and then he added Lizzie's guitar and he added a few more elements, I was able to send that to my niece, Maya. Maya listened, and then came up with the composition of her humming, because I didn't want any words, I wanted it to be humming, oohs and ahhs, that's what I gave her.
Nadine Kelly:
She came back with it, and Tim put everything together, produced, edit a few elements that enhanced and made it rich, and that's my podcast music. And now, because we started that collaboration together, and music looks different to me now, I don't have to be in a band, because I'm not going to be in a band, at least I don't think so. But I can use my percussion, as fun, creation, investigation.
Nadine Kelly:
We've actually started making more music, so now I'm collaborating with Tim. When I have a project, as a matter of fact, this morning, no, last night, I was editing an episode and I said, "I need music here and I need it to be very vibey and nature, and I needed to sound like this, but I didn't have it."
Nadine Kelly:
So I sent a message to Tim, I told him what I wanted, he composed something, sent it back to me. So now I feel like it's more of the art that I want, it's more of the personal touches of peace. I love museums too Anne, and I feel like I'm actually painting pictures with sound.
Anne Muhlethaler:
That makes so much sense to me, especially right this minute, I'm launching next month a loving, kindness meditation course. Because for someone like myself, who spent so much of my life actively pursuing a music career, I just want to say, I really threw myself on all of the stages when I was younger.
Anne Muhlethaler:
I haven't tried to bring music more into my life, or my projects, and I think that it's because despite my creativity in other people's businesses, I have a creative mind in business, but somehow, it needed to be separate in my mind, and I don't know why.
Anne Muhlethaler:
I think for the podcasting workshop, I know why I didn't try to produce the music myself, because I thought, uh-uh, I'm going to start by spending all my time on the music, and I won't release the podcast, and I could see how that could be a detriment. But I haven't tried since, so thank you so much for your example.
Anne Muhlethaler:
In today's episode with Bernadette, I really loved the fact that you make it almost like parenthesis, in the way that you edit your interview, right? You frame it. So I think your museum image is very adapted to the situation.
Nadine Kelly:
Thank you, that's lovely.
Anne Muhlethaler:
Yeah, you did it. I wanted to ask, because most things that we do are online nowadays, you do offer Zoom classes, am I correct?
Nadine Kelly:
Yes, yes, so nearly now, yes.
Anne Muhlethaler:
So can people find you on your website? So the site is yogimd.com
Nadine Kelly:
yogimd.net
Anne Muhlethaler:
.net, my mistake.
Nadine Kelly:
That's okay.
Anne Muhlethaler:
Is it easy for that for anyone to sign up?
Nadine Kelly:
So, I'm offering currently three classes, because it has to be on demand, right? If I have the demand, then I will definitely have the class. So right now, it is on Tuesdays a class where I call it floor yoga, but we do get up and down off of the floor, so we use the mat. And then on Wednesdays, I have two chair yoga classes, and all of that information is on my website.
Anne Muhlethaler:
That's wonderful, thank you. So if that's okay, I'm going to move to some of my favorite questions for all of my podcast guests. And I would love to start with what is your favorite word, but I want to add the color, because I think that not everybody understood it, I need to give context. What is a favorite word that you would consider tattooing on yourself, and living with for a period of time?
Nadine Kelly:
Evolution.
Anne Muhlethaler:
Yes, it did come up a couple of times. Tell me more?
Nadine Kelly:
When I was in medical school, I had a wonderful teacher who said... We were all in our short white coats, we were in a huge hall, and he said that one of the things about being a doctor is to commit to being a lifelong learner. At that time, I didn't know what that meant. I just thought it meant, I'm going to have to read journals for the rest of my life, and keep memorizing things.
Nadine Kelly:
But as I've gotten older, lifelong learner has become a lot more precious to me, it means that I'm active. It means that I'm curious. It means that I question myself, I make sure I'm not participating, or partaking in, and I'm aware of when I am falling into the trap of cognitive distortions.
Nadine Kelly:
Black and white thinking, when I'm being inflexible, I challenge myself, I make myself uncomfortable, I'm comfortable with being uncomfortable. And that life is evolving, things change, and if I'm willing and open to change, then I will continue to learn.
Anne Muhlethaler:
Thank you so much for that, that's really wonderful. Now, this is a tough question for most people. What song best represents you?
Nadine Kelly:
Yeah, I hated that question Anne, because I love so much. For a while, and it still sticks, because it reminds me of change and loss, and I love it. Sting is my favorite artist, and one of my favorite songs is Why Should I Cry For You?
Anne Muhlethaler:
Beautiful. So what, or who did you want to be when you were a kid?
Nadine Kelly:
I wanted to be a doctor, since I was five.
Anne Muhlethaler:
Oh my god, I had no idea.
Nadine Kelly:
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Anne Muhlethaler:
Okay, well, at least you pursued your childhood-
Nadine Kelly:
I did it, I have no regrets, because I wouldn't be here today if I didn't do that.
Anne Muhlethaler:
What would you say to your younger self, if you could send yourself a message?
Nadine Kelly:
Be kind. I was not nice to myself for a very, very, very, very, very, very long time.
Anne Muhlethaler:
What is the best advice you've ever been given?
Nadine Kelly:
Be yourself, because everyone else has taken, the Dr. Seuss quote.
Anne Muhlethaler:
It's such a good one, thank you. What book is next to your bed, or on your desk?
Nadine Kelly:
This is a great question. Okay, I have two books right now that are on my desk. The one has been here for a very, very long time, it's the Seven Habits of Highly Effective People. It changed my life, Stephen Covey's work, just changed, changed, changed. I'm going to cheat, that's actually three, The Creativity Leap. by Natalie Nixon, and I just finished Why We Sleep.
Anne Muhlethaler:
Oh, that sounds super nerdy and fun, who is it by?
Nadine Kelly:
Matthew Walker. So he explains the importance of sleep, and, oh my goodness, yeah. I'm looking at the three books on my desk right now, and they're all dog eared, and, yeah. Because I go back, and I look at the passages that I've outlined to think about them again.
Anne Muhlethaler:
That sounds fantastic. And that last one, I really want it. I'm a big believer in sleep, big, big, big.
Nadine Kelly:
It's so important, I didn't realize just how important delay, until I read that book.
Anne Muhlethaler:
And who is a person that you think everyone should know about? It could be anybody, an activist or writer, musician?
Nadine Kelly:
Well, I'm going to pick one of Stephen Covey, that book was written decades ago, and so it's very popular, people know about it, but I think that the author of The Creativity Leap, Natalie Nixon, is a remarkable person. I actually interviewed her for my podcast, because to me, one of the main reasons I love Natalie is because she embodies, after I read her book, curiosity is a verb. Yeah.
Anne Muhlethaler:
That is a strong concept.
Nadine Kelly:
Yeah. So Natalie Nixon, I think people should really know more about her, And the Matthew Walker book. We have very little respect for sleep as a society, and it's to our detriment, it really is. It was solid studies, scientific backed information, but it's good storytelling too, so it makes it very, feel very personal, doesn't feel like he's just shoving information at you. So now I respect sleep a ton more.
Anne Muhlethaler:
Yeah, I feel like I got a little bit geeky on sleep when I read Arianna Huffington's book, Thrive, back when it came out. But a couple of years later, I was really close to burnout, and I remember for the first time in my life, because I'm a really big sleeper. For the first time in my life, I could not sleep more than three hours a night. And it was frightening.
Anne Muhlethaler:
And now I have a deal with myself, that if I haven't slept well, or not sufficiently, I am not allowed to make decisions, I'm not allowed to make, or have important conversations.
Nadine Kelly:
That's very smart.
Anne Muhlethaler:
And I'm not allowed to buy anything.
Nadine Kelly:
Mm-hmm (affirmative). Very, very smart, very smart.
Anne Muhlethaler:
At the end of the day, I understand that if I'm without enough sleep, I am not a functioning human being, and I should be not allowed to touch anything.
Nadine Kelly:
Yeah, no one is. The nonsense about, "Oh, I can thrive on four to five hours of sleep." And people are bragging about that? That's nonsense, just nonsense.
Anne Muhlethaler:
Also, what helps upgrading bed, and really, really helps when you start treating it as a space of... As a sanctuary, I would say.
Nadine Kelly:
Matthew Walker also has a master class, and he said that he used to think that it was nutrition, exercise, and sleep are the three pillars of health, and he said, no sleep is the foundation on which nutrition and exercise sit.
Anne Muhlethaler:
That makes so much sense. Okay, this takes us to my last, and favorite question. So Nadine, can you tell me what brings you happiness?
Nadine Kelly:
Family, food, and my work.
Anne Muhlethaler:
Concise, well fed, I can feel the intention. Any specific foods?
Nadine Kelly:
Any specific foods? I just like to eat, and that's something that I've had to... I was talking to a friend yesterday, and I was talking about my weight woes, and she was commiserating. And she said, "Well, have you tried fasting?"
Nadine Kelly:
And you know Anne, I mean, this is my life, and I like to eat. I know that I'm going to have to moderate certain things, I have been sheltering in place for over a year, it's getting better now. But I'm not going to not stop liking to eat. And I love to cook, so I am not going to adapt a fasting lifestyle, I'm just not.
Anne Muhlethaler:
It's interesting, because I love to eat, and I love to cook, I really, really love to cook, and I cook pretty much everything from scratch. But I love fasting, it really suits my body, it suits my metabolism. So after discussing with a friend, and I did it a few years ago, I'm now on the 816 intermittent fasting regime, which means that I don't have to control myself that much, as long as-
Nadine Kelly:
So that's different.
Anne Muhlethaler:
... Hour range.
Nadine Kelly:
Yeah, yeah. So the way she was presenting it was like, fast for a whole day, and then the next, I'm not doing that.
Anne Muhlethaler:
Oh, I've done it for a whole week, yeah.
Nadine Kelly:
No, thanks.
Anne Muhlethaler:
I certainly get it. Anyways, Nadine, thank you so much for the time that you gave me today, it was such a joy to spend some time with you, and get to know you, and you very generously shared so much of your life with me, and our listeners. So where can they meet you, listen to you, have access to you?
Nadine Kelly:
Well, I'm very proud of my website, I'm always trying to improve it, and make sure that it's an accurate representation of where I am in my journey, my offerings. So yogimd.net has all of my social links about me, interviews, information about the podcast, so you can go subscribe, and/or follow, it's changed now to whatever platform, I actually have the current ones embedded on the site too. And that's where you can find out about me.
Anne Muhlethaler:
Amazing, I will put links to everything we talked about in the show notes, and thank you again. I hope I'll see you, or that we'll keep in each other's sort of paths somehow, probably in another Akimbo workshop. In one way or another, as a student or as coach, I have a feeling we're going to see each other. And maybe we should try to do combine episode with Andrea one day.
Nadine Kelly:
That would be so much fun.
Anne Muhlethaler:
That would be really fun. She's pretty exceptional.
Nadine Kelly:
She really is, yeah. Another example of good people. I mean, what can I say? And that's the other magical thing about Akimbo land, is all of these wonderful, you, Andrea, oh, my goodness, yeah, there are too many to name, I don't want to leave anybody out. But I have made great, great, smart, well intentioned, beautiful human friends in Akimbo land.
Anne Muhlethaler:
That's amazing. That's a beautiful thing to leave everyone on. Have a wonderful rest of your day.
Nadine Kelly:
You too.
Anne Muhlethaler:
And see you again soon.
Nadine Kelly:
Thank you.
Anne Muhlethaler:
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